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to handle the fiscal cliff? 48% believe president obama and republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> we should say that the president and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" b
not raise tax rates. now republicans are pointing back to july 2011. this statement by president obama. >> yes, said give us $1.# trillion in additional revenues that could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes. eliminating deductions. and engaging in a tax reform process that could lowered rates generally while broadening the base. >> bret: the white house is saying it's out of context but not specifically how out of context. bring in the panel. steve hayes for "weekly standard." kirsten powers for daily beast. syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer. charles? >> look, i love when the president says we need conceptual break through. meaning the republicans have to accept a hike in rates. what he means is a political surrender. because there is no economic reason why you cannot raise the money he wants raised. by doing it through eliminating deductions, inclusions and credit. number one as we saw he, himself, said so. a year-and-a-half ago. secondly, the same debt reduction commission he appointed and then ignored. spoke a
of the day going to show him and the republicans to be weaker and to have less leverage which giving obama more leverage on two things to your question. one is the debt ceiling extension issue which is the point that the president has made. he's not going to allow the republicans to hold this economy hostage. and another round of debt ceiling negotiations. i think he has to hold firm on that. the other thing i think the president has to hold firm on is getting stimulus in this plan. to jared's point, republicans have been making all the arguments if you cut too much you're going to hurt the economy. that's what the democrats said during the stimulus debate which jared was a leader on in 2009. it's a point i think they're still relevant on. >> let me just amplify those excellent points. one thing i have heard and i'm very happy about this is that the white house and these negotiations has been holding firm on the stimulus piece of this package. >> the 50 billion additional. >> there's 50 billion on infrastructure, an extension of unemployment. something like a payroll tax check boost there.
obama. john sununu is addition you know, he's not speaking for the republican party. ted nugent, he's very entertaining and downright racist in some of the things he says. >> if you like that kind of thing. >> i guarantee you, they're not going to be standing at the speaker's podium in 2016. the party moving beyond those characters. >> i hope you're right. mitt romney, whom you've just written about is seclusion in retail therapy. the man who told us i love cars, american automobiles who bought himself a foreign car audi, built in slovakia, owned byç a germany company. the capital of slovakia is quite aways away from detroit. is this is finally the real romney, the one he promised to give us and now we're seeing? >> but he took his audi to costco and loaded up with cheap merchandise. >> sorry sdmroop. >> so he is a man of the people driving his luxury suv to the discount chain. >> come o dana, he spends the whole campaign saying, i love america, implying the president doesn't. and the first thing he does is buy himself a german automobile. >> well, first he moved out to this wealt
an election. you saw it on the other side, republicans complained with some justification that obama rather than focusing on the economy went ahead with obama care and he paid for that. i think you're going to see the same sort of backlash here where voters have been saying very clearly they want action on the economy. now it becomes sort of an anti--union effort that has very little to do in the short term with the economy. so maybe, you know, they may be able to get their right to work thing through there but there will be the inevitable backlash. >> it is interesting that the congressional delegation, that there are a lot of members who are there now talking to the governor, jackie. what do you think? what's going on in that room right now? >> i think it also varies state to state i'd like to add. something that worked in wisconsin won't necessarily work in ohio. we saw that during some of the scott walker drama that went down. ohio, unions won. wisconsin, unions lost. michigan, another union heavy state, we could see something else entirely. that said the president going there and most
's no deal done. congressional republicans will get 53% of the blame game. obama just 27%. now, that's an interesting development there. i looked at that all afternoon, and your view of that. >> i think it's absolutely right, number one. number two, the republicans are creating a symbol that is not good for their brand, that they're going to let the tax codes go up for the middle class to protect the wealthy. the president has framed this very well. he's talked about balance. he's talked about the 2% having to do a little bit more. and on every one of those things the public is overwhelmingly with him. one-third of mitt romney's voters believed the top 2% need to pay a little more. >> conceptually you're obviously right. the polling is right. here is my difference. the conditions in which the world lives. right now we're talking about a possible fiscal cliff. we're not off the cliff. >> right. >> if it's january 2nd or 3rd and the stock market is going down by a couple thousand points around the world. the japanese markets, european countries, countries in europe which are precarious
it for him, 49% of republicans say that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election. that's why obama won. half the republicans say democrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff, and that's all these people listen to. they live in this bubble. >> i think they misheard it and they thought a unicorn stole the election. >> i mean a.c.o.r.n. they don't have a nickel to rub against another nickel, and they're running the country. thank you, dana and ron. i think we caught the spirit of this nonsense. >>> up next, one of the most popular guests we've ever had on "hardball," barney frank joins us as he prepares to leave the congress after more than -- boy, barney's been around a long time. i thought he was the new guy. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] jill and h
. republicans in michigan, despite losing to state by 3 million votes to president obama have launched an extreme attack on core democratic policies. they are now pushing a far right agenda to go take down union rights and women's rights. we've seen this in wisconsin and ohio and virginia. now, it's in michigan. president obama went to an au auto-plan where he ripped the gop plan and crippled the state's labor unions. >> what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your rights to bargain for better wages. [ applause ] >> you know, these so called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. you only have to look to michigan where workers were instrumental in reviving the auto industry to see how unions have helped build not just the stronger middle class, but a stronger america. >> the president is right. it's not about economics. it is about politics. the state's republican governor, rick snyder, says he'll sign the right to work bill into law. even tho
: last week i said let obama have what he wants. republican member should vote present. maybe not even let him go off the cliff. let it go through and let barack obama have what he wants. people voted for it. we slide in recession and we say look, we had it their way. i think they are not carrying about the nation's future. right now, $136,000 household in debt. this is about getting re-elec re-elected. i want to say something quickly about the simpsons. it's dangerous to trivialize what is going on. simpson, if we go up the fiscal cliff simpsons are hit the hardest. the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october of 2008 before he was p
should republicans in the white house have exchanged new proposal tsds today. and president obama and boehner have spoken at this time. quote, we sent the white house a counteroffer that would achieve reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more jobs. that's all we know. dana milbank, they say it's good. they said it will solve our problems. they won't say what it is. explain. >> well, look, we're still in the fairly early stage of posturing here, and nobody can strike a deal until they get closer to it, until their feet are to the fire. >> when do you say the fire begins? >> nobody can make any prediction for sure -- >> try. >> they could hammer this out in three hours if they really wanted to. >> that's right. >> but if they don't wait until the very end of december or even go over the cliff -- >> i think it's 21. i'm going to bet on -- what's your hunch about this, ron reagan? you're here -- i think they're going to try to get it done by christmas just for efficiency's sake and not to scare the horses. that's the thought i have. i may be conservative about this. >> y
approach. >> something a little strange. republican lawmakers dealing directly with president obama. you never hear them say we want to sit down with democratic lawmakers and hammer out a deal. why is that? >> at this point it appears that the democrats and president are on the same page. there is sort of this strain within republicans, especially between those in the house and the senate over the right approach. they do want to sit down and meet directly with the president and the last indications we got is that there's nothing going on in terms of negotiations while the white house says that the conversations continue, gop aides say saying that there's no phone calls, e-mailing, nothing between them. i think it's a little hard to see how you move this ball forward if the two sides are not negotiating face-to-face. we'll see if the ball can get moved. >> who needs twitter or facebook or a telephone call when you have television? because that's how they seem to be -- >> reporter: you can just walk down the street? >> yes. exactly. >> reporter: dan both general, reporting live from the wh
the republicans have reached the end of the line. they're hoping obama will show his cards and come out with cuts for entitlements and then they will show something on tax cuts. >> he has no incentive to do anything at least publicly. >> will they show their cards on tax cuts first ? >> they have to. >> who is going to show their hand first. >> the republicans. they're going to have to. obama can stand pat and he's doing it right now. he can be cool hand luke. >> i think that's the way he is playing, very cool. thank you. he's going to force john boehner to come out and say what he wants done to protect the rich people or not protect them. thank you ron reagan, thank you and dana mill ban. >>> a big anti-union vote in mooer michigan is coming up. a right and left going at it. it isn't about gutting unions. a lot of people think so. stf about lowering wages and hurting democrats? you bet. >>> plus the most talked about movie in hollywood hasn't even talked about. it's about torture. many critics say "zero dark thirty" suggests without torture we wouldn't have gotten the guy. it's going to be hot.
to hire democrats. they will look to the republican out. to bial theail them as far as obama taxing the rich, you notice he does not touch entitlements. most of the rich is going to get off on tax breaks so there will only be certain rich that will be taxed. host: from "the hill" this morning -- 40 something republican senators sent a letter to the president yesterday. they conclude by saying -- again, this is 40 something republican senators, a letter to the president yesterday. back to your calls on the future for an the rodham clinton. this is a democrat from ohio. caller: i am fine tha, thank yo. i think if we get through these next four years, hillary clinton would make a good candidate and a good president for our country. i think she would move the country continuously. she knows a lot about the foreign affairs. i think she would be a good candidate. host: thank you for calling in this morning. caller: i am still wondering what happened to all that money they found when they went in over to iraq. could you please get me an answer to that question? host: probably not in the ne
for you out there. eight states that republican governors turned down working poor people for medicaid under obama healthcare bill. duggard says it's 40,000 people working. able-bodied people. they are working and working for. you tight give them medicaid. here is the thing you republicans are never going to understand. you don't get they'd like to see people get help. nine governors, nine republicans 150,000 average citizens not going to get healthcare. merry christmas for the republican governors for all of you. >> dana: now you're back to doing what you did in the election and not give us time to respond. >> bob: this is one more thing. >> eric: do my one more thing. i love dogs. good boy, good girl. check out what they're doing in new zealand. teaching dogs how to drive. the dog is porter. so shelter dogs can be helpful. this is a candidate for driving. he is a good boy! >> dana: last week, we did "sportscenter" when brian kilmeade was here but this is "animal planet." this is in the environment that he started to help them pull down a damaged tree. a video going viral that greg se
. >> if the bush tax cuts are repealed and everyone's taxes go up, i promise you republicans will be blamed for it. >> so are you saying, then, for pr purposes that they should give into obama on the tax rate in. >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am. >> ka pit late to obama who is -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, shawn. >> i can't believe i'm saying this, but ann coultter is right. they lost. the question may now be when, not if, the republicans will cave on taxes. joining me now is dana milbank, columnist for "the washington post." he's writing about the republicans waving tax hikes and cynthia tucker and visiting professor of journalism at the university of georgia. thanks to both of you for being here tonight. >> hi, reverend. >> good to be here, reverend. >> dana, are republicans really ready to cave? >> well, reverend, first of all, terrific particular to see you and ann coulter on the same page. they've caved already. they have said, we're going to agree to an $800 billion tax increase. it's entirely possible that they are going to go off the cliff any wa
if president obama and congressional republicans can't head off big tax increases and government spending cuts that are now 25 days away. for now, the administration is looking at the economy's bright side. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan loathian. >> reporter: the white house says it is another indication that the economy is starting to heal from some of the wounds inflicted by the economic downturn. vice president joe biden out speaking with middle class americans today said that the u.s. economy has turned the corner. he was very emphatic about that saying saying it is moving in a positive direction. at the same time, he was putting pressure on lawmakers to come to an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. it was yet another white house effort to rally support around its approach to the fiscal cliff. joe biden sitting down with seven middle class americans worried about their taxes going up. >> these are hard working, serious americans who are playing by the rules, doing it all right, and struggling already in this economy. >> reporter: jobs numbers, proof the administratio
%, does it give the republicans the leverage they need after the new year? >> yeah. we are still going to have the fight over the debt ceiling. obama would love to take it off the table now. there's no way republicans are going to give that up. it's a crucial piece of leverage than the tax rates. as we saw a year and a half ago, that is really sort of putting the basic fiscal health of the country at risk. a lot of republicans are looking at that saying this is a much better chance to get the big changes on entitlements we would like to find. >> andy, i ask this to both of you, eleanor, too. i'll start with eleanor. what are the chances that game is not going to get tied into this? the president was very specific when he gave the speech to the business round table this week talking about the fact this is not a game he's looking to play once again. what are the odds that will not be involved? >> the odds are it will not be involved. the president has important allies this time, that's the business community. the republican party has been the party of business, you know, big business, sm
to look ahead to a senate without jim demint and whether some republicans will side with president obama in this fight over raising taxes on the rich. ♪ [ female announcer ] holiday cookies are a big job. everything has to be just right. perfection is in the details. ♪ get to holiday fun faster with pillsbury cookie dough. get to holiday fun faster swithout shriners hospitals,he things i'm able to do. my life would be completely different. when i was seven, we found out i had scoliosis. everything changed when they stepped in. it was like they gave me my future back. tori's life is one of nearly a million changed by donations from people like you. send your love to the rescue. donate today. >>> let's discuss what we just heard in our strategy session. joining us three cnn contributors, democratic strategist donna brazile, erick erickson, editor and chief of conservative blog redstate,.com. and david frum, a former bush white house speech writer now contributing editor at the daily beast and newsweek. guys, thanks very much. erick, you know jim demint. were you surprised by his announ
faith? 56% thought obama and democrats would. only 43% thought the republicans would. will the president not act in good faith? 38% thought president wouldn't act in good faith. 51% thought republicans wouldn't act in good faith. but if there's no deal and the country goes over that fiscal cliff, taxes go up for everyone, mandatory spending cuts go into effect, a lot of folks are going to say where was the president? he was just re-elected. why couldn't he put together a package, a deal to avoid this disaster? >> i think this is a question of political leadership. and as that poll showed, there's no doubt that the president has the political advantage going into this. but at some point, and i think we're kind of getting close to it, the president has to be able to pivot and to say how do i turn this political advantage into a real policy accomplishment? and, wolf, i don't think you're going to do that with continued campaign style events like we just saw meeting with middle class families. okay. we get that. that occurred during the campaign. the white house has clearly gotten its messag
today, the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to raising taxes on the rich. all this week we've been focusing on what it is about this congress and this administration that makes it seem like compromise is a dirty word. certainly the extremes in the party seem to view it that way. we've been talking with past congressional leaders who have sat down at the negotiating table, facing sharp differences with the other political party in the past and still managing to come out with a deal. today i spoke a short while ago with trent lott, author of "herding cats: a life in politics." >> senator lott, you and senator mitchell wrote op-eds. you said one solution is to hold congress at hearings, marking up legislation. most americans would agree with that but be surprised to hear, i mean, that's their job. i think most of us, you know, would assume, isn't that their job description? >> well, they've slowly slipped away. for several years now. they don't do appropriations bills before the end of the fiscal year, not even before the end of t
obama in 2008. he traveled with him to iraq and afghanistan. so there are lots of republicans, i would have to say, who would not be happy with chuck hagel. he was opposed to the surge in 2007 in iraq. so there are some republicans who might challenge him. >> the cia director, too. so i wouldn't necessarily rule that out. >> there is. >> and what about susan rice? >> that is, of course, the big question. my sources say, the president is still very close to her. a huge susan rice fan, as someone said to me. but this source also said the longer she hangs out there the harder it is. of course, last week was not a great week for her. as you recall, she went to the hill to try to asage republican concerns and mf them came out of that lessen thenthusiast. the president is the one who makes these decisions and he's a huge fan of susan rice. >> well, we'll see what he does. >> and don't forget, in the top four cabinet posts, susan rice is a woman. and i think there's a real sense of diversity in that they'dke to see a woman in one of the top four jobs. >> there should be a woman in the top fou
and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional democrats they're dealing with a split within their own ranks. more conservative republicans don't want party leaders to compromise anymore than they think they already have. even though the republican plan offers up $800 billion in new taxes without upping tax rates at all tea party leaders say higher taxes shouldn't be in any form because it is not what republicans stand for. south carolina senator jim demint went so far as to call on supporters of his senate conservative fund to call senate republicans and ask them to oppose what he's calling the boehner tax hike. the looming question for re
labor unions. >>> here in washington, republicans turn the tables on president obama. we're going to tell you what specific information they are now demanding. >>> and who was she? you're going to find out why a century's old mystery may be closer to a solution. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we begin with today's dramatic defeat for union workers in the industrial's heartland. this was the scene as republicans pushed through right to work bills saying that they don't have to pay union dues in in order to get a job. on lookers chanted, shame on you after the vote. this is a watershed moment because michigan is the same as countless union struggles, including this 1932 march where five people died and dozens were injured when unemployed workers were attacked by police and ford motor company security guards. after decades of gains, fewer than 12% of u.s. workers now belong to unions. in michigan, it's fewer than 18%. cnn's poppy harlow is at the state capital in lansing. how did it go? >> reporter: are an historic day in michigan. a state at the heart of organized
schools of thoughts, but the two main ones, republicans you need to figure out a way to work with president obama, get this done, american people want to get it done. they don't want to see their taxes raised. just work something out. another school of thought is stronger than i thought it would be, you know what, if they won't come to the table on spending cuts, let them fall off the cliff. i know you want to get a deal, but if it's not possible, will you let the president take america off the cliff? >> we want to solve the problem. the only people i hear publicly talking about taking us off the cliff unfortunately is the secretary of the treasury, or senator murray, said it on the floor, she's the new finance chair. that's the wrong attitude. we've had bigger problems in america, we've been able to rise to the occasion. we should solve the problem once and for all. you have to find spending cuts. president doesn't want to talk about that. he wants a balanced approach. he won't even talk about it. he wants to walk us off the cliff. we don't want to go there. we want to solve
like a republican electoral map. >> eric: move on. dana take a look at president obama who says the right to work is being politicized. listen. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your right to bargain for better wages. [ applause ] >> the so-called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> eric: who's politicizing it in >> dana: since i haven't said anything yet this whole show, first of all, collective bargaining is maintained in this bill, when it will be signed. the difference is a right to work state you have a choice as employee whether or not to join the union. the unions would have to compete to say we think that we could represent you better. we hope you agree with us. they have to compete for the business. the governor is a self-made man who is basically doing public service in his career. he doesn't need to work another day in his life but he decided to stay in michigan. indiana became a right to work state a couple of years ab. michigan has been watching all the progression and the job goes to
obama says a budget deal could be reached in a week if republicans accept higher taxes for the wealthy he was 2% of americans. but that "fiscal cliff" deadline is less than four weeks away and still no deal between the president and republicans. cbs 5 political reporter grace lee on what this gridlock could cost californians. >> reporter: basically, it could cost us billions. the daily democrat estimates that if no deal is reached and we go over the "fiscal cliff," our state could lose out on $4.5 billion of federal money and lose 200,000 jobs. and this can hit the lower middle class with a one-two punch a combination of unemployment and fewer social safety nets. >> they want us to close on wednesday at noon. >> reporter: a social security employee for 30 years is joining fellow federal workers across the u.s. to spread the word the "fiscal cliff" is looming and at stake social security benefits for millions. >> they seem to go for the people who had the least political pull, in other words poor and disabled and people here in east oakland. >> reporter: like this social security recipi
're for. one of the mistakes i think the republican party made the last two years is trying to make obama the issue without sharing with america bold reform ideas that get people inspired to get behind us. >> senator demint, huge tea party supporter. sometimes clashes with his own party's leadership. he is leaving with four years left in his senate term. earlier, he said he'd retire when the term was up in 2017 but gave no previous indication he might quit now. i want to go to dana bash joining me on the phone here. dana, huge surprise to a lot of people. what's behind the resignation. >> reporter: a huge stunner. nobody saw it coming. i was told by a source close to demint he didn't accept the job until yesterday telling the staff this morning, called the governor in south carolina who, of course, will have to appoint the successor and told the republican leaders here. but look. the reason why it's such a surprise is because demint really has been over the past few years somebody who takes pride in his job. and the role that any one senator can do, which is to gum up the works and very m
about republicans in effect jumping ship, saying it's time to go along with president obama in raising tax rates on the rich to avo avoid the fiscal cliff. erin burnett's been looking into that. she's going in depth on that tonight. what have you found out? >> it seems more and more likely that we're going to end up in a situation where we get a pretty awful deal if we get a deal. there's not going to be a grand bargain, which is a big failure, but are there going to be republicans who are willing to make serious corp. mizs. tom mcclint ok's going to be our guest. we're going put the hard questions to him tonight, plus, wolf, you remember amy copeland, the young woman who went on the bungee jump and got the stitches and had to go back because of the flesh eating bacteria? >> what happened? >> well, she survived and she is our special guest tonight. she was honored with a woman of the year award and her story is pretty incredible. she talks about what she still struggles to do, whether there are still moments in the middle of the night where she feels life isn't fair. >> i'll look forwa
about the fiscal cliff claifen. the president yesterday. >> obama: i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation, and reducing our deficits, and that has some compromise between democrats and republicans. i understand there's a -- you know, people have a lot of different views. i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> stephanie: yeah. >> i worry about him talking about compromising. >> stephanie: i think he is doing the right thing, though. he is hitting the road like campaign style and taking -- and the polls are showing that it is working. again, just like in the election, the american people largely with him would largely blame republicans if this happens. he is building his case. he said it will be a hit you can't afford to take. and if anything, jim, the president has toughened his demand in the last few days. i mean, it really -- that -- that i really think is true. because we have never seen this breed of republicans before that have taken that hostage. it shouldn't be part of negotiations of anything. it'
is an issue, and as far as social issues, which i feel passionately about, i do think that obama in his second term has a chance of really making a difference, and i'm sure some issues that the republicans have, these kinds of issues are not as high a priority for them as perhaps they should be. >> last question. climate change. there's still people who believe that's not really -- that doesn't really exist. that this is not man made but something that happens. how do you convince people it's real? >> well, i mean, i'm not a scientist. 95% of scientists, 98% of scientists in the world believe it is a man-made problem, and you simply just got in fragile world and buildup of carbon around the world creating this blanket. every year we pump more carbon in, and that makes the blanket thicker all the time. the world is heating up a little bit all the time. simplistically it seems logical. >> we're going to look at life of a musician who taught the beatles athing or two about music. he died yesterday. we'll look at the cultural impact his music had on the world. all waking up. connecting to the glob
those everyone elses out to market his plan or put pressure on republican lawmakers to pass his version of what he sees as the solution to the fiscal cliff. so there is the cliff and there is the chasm and mr. obama, as you know, is standing very firm on the $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he is offering $400 billion in cuts from the so-called entitlements but also wants to spend $50 billion on infrastructure. mr. boehner, on the other hand, is offering half -- half of what the president's number is on those taxes and not in what you'd say increases. more like closing of loopholes. he also wants much deeper cuts in entitlements and beyond. so we're watching both ends of pennsylvania avenue this hour. we've got dan lothian who is standing pat at the white house to figure out just exactly what the movements are every day. dana bash is on capitol hill. dan, let me start with you. we were just hearing from the president and we were cut off by a nasty satellite. let me talk about these business people and what exactly they can bring to the table because it seems as though he's soliciting them fo
that will pay. that's what he said today. yesterday, president obama said something that was very, very important. he offered the outlines of a deal that might work with republicans. that's something we talked about on your show a couple nights ago, anderson. that is, raise the rates now and then engage in conversations next year on tax discussions and loopholes. and that's called base broadening. base broadening in the past has been attached to lowering the rates. lowering the rates. that's what happened in 1986 with tax reform. so, what the president is saying, there is a way to raise rates temporarily. but through further reform you say you're interested in, we could lower them back down next year. >> david, you've been critical of the president and democrats. do you still think they're overplaying their hand here? >> i think there are people around the president who are more interested or at least have a strong interest in using this as a way to humiliate republicans as a way to push them to the brink, as opposed to negotiating. we'll have to wait to see how it plays out. i think wh
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